diff --git a/Mage.Sets/src/mage/sets/avacynrestored/TamiyoTheMoonSage.java b/Mage.Sets/src/mage/sets/avacynrestored/TamiyoTheMoonSage.java
index 41f68d5151b..ebb0c56d9a9 100644
--- a/Mage.Sets/src/mage/sets/avacynrestored/TamiyoTheMoonSage.java
+++ b/Mage.Sets/src/mage/sets/avacynrestored/TamiyoTheMoonSage.java
@@ -68,7 +68,7 @@ public class TamiyoTheMoonSage extends CardImpl<TamiyoTheMoonSage> {
 
         this.color.setBlue(true);
 
-        this.addAbility(new EntersBattlefieldAbility(new AddCountersSourceEffect(CounterType.LOYALTY.createInstance(8)), null));
+        this.addAbility(new EntersBattlefieldAbility(new AddCountersSourceEffect(CounterType.LOYALTY.createInstance(4)), null));
 
         // +1: Tap target permanent. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
         LoyaltyAbility ability = new LoyaltyAbility(new TapTargetEffect(), 1);
diff --git a/Mage.Sets/src/mage/sets/scarsofmirrodin/VenserTheSojourner.java b/Mage.Sets/src/mage/sets/scarsofmirrodin/VenserTheSojourner.java
index 19839187b87..39b9fe854d6 100644
--- a/Mage.Sets/src/mage/sets/scarsofmirrodin/VenserTheSojourner.java
+++ b/Mage.Sets/src/mage/sets/scarsofmirrodin/VenserTheSojourner.java
@@ -72,7 +72,7 @@ public class VenserTheSojourner extends CardImpl<VenserTheSojourner> {
 		this.subtype.add("Venser");
 		this.color.setWhite(true);
 		this.color.setBlue(true);
-		this.addAbility(new EntersBattlefieldAbility(new AddCountersSourceEffect(CounterType.LOYALTY.createInstance(8)), null));
+		this.addAbility(new EntersBattlefieldAbility(new AddCountersSourceEffect(CounterType.LOYALTY.createInstance(3)), null));
 
 		// +2: Exile target permanent you own. Return it to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
 		LoyaltyAbility ability1 = new LoyaltyAbility(new VenserTheSojournerEffect(), 2);